Wednesday, November 29, 2006

A fatal blow to Turkey's EU hopes- Tony to the rescue?


The Pope may have had a semi-change of heart on Turkey joining the EU but Brussels has now suggested a partial suspension of Turkey-EU talks after officials failed to resolve a trade dispute over Cyprus. The Commission has proposed freezing talks on eight of the 35 policy “chapters” into which the accession talks are divided. Britain will call for a more limited form of punishment. It would ideally like three chapters linked to Cyprus to be suspended: the free movement of goods, transport and customs union.Blair said: “We have got to make sure we allow Turkey’s accession to proceed. Just at the moment to send an adverse signal to Turkey I think would be a serious mistake for Europe long-term.” Blair's judgement is, of course, extremely dubious at best. Whatever happened to Iraq's chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, Tony?

The suspension is a severe, perhaps fatal, blow to Turkey's decades-old attempt to join the bloc. Most Europeans will, however, be rather pleased at this development (let's be honest about it). With its population growing by nearly a million a year, Turkey would be the most populous country in the EU by the time it joined. Few Europeans wish to see an almost entirely Asian developing country within the EU. And that’s a fact even the entirely demented Mr Blair would be wise not to ignore...
As for the position of Christians in Turkey, see HERE

14 comments:

Jean-Luc Picard said...

It would also mean lots of Turks heading to Britain!

Colin said...

Shouldn't our EU politicians attempt to be a role model of multiculturalism for the population by welcoming migrants from Anatolia in their upper class neighbourhood and homes?

Colin said...

Instanbultory,

Again, you recent excellent analyses are excellent. With regard to Turkey, I prefer to read your blog instead of the MSM.

Serf said...

One of the interesting things about Turkey with regard to Christians, is the almost schizophrenic nature of the relationship between the majority & the minority.

As a foreigner, whom they assume to be Christian (don't disabuse them if this is not true, its not worth it) they are full of respect for your beliefs. However, the majority see Turk & Muslim as inseparable, and regard minority Christians with great suspicion.

Meanwhile the state claims to be secular, which anywhere else means freedom of religion, and yet openly discriminates against non muslims and bans "missionary activity".

Why 70 million Muslims should be so scared of a handful of Christians is beyond me, but thats the way it is.

istanbultory said...

Serf, I agree. The state claims to be secular but it's a very strange form of secularism. The state pays the salary of every imam in Turkey and offers financial support to every single mosque. The state picks up the electricity and water bills for every mosque in Turkey. The same state offers no support whatsoever, financial or other, to any Christian or Jewish place of worship. However, the state is very good at imposing all kinds of bureaucratic restrictions on non-Islamic minorities. An issue the EU might want to raise in negotiations I would say.

Voyager said...

Can't we give Turkey our place in the EU as we head for the exit ?

istanbultory said...

Can't we give Turkey our place in the EU as we head for the exit ?

Yes, in my view. Norman Stone made much the same argument in The Times back in October 2005. He wrote:
"Can Turkey stand the unemployment, bureaucracy and taxation that the EU really portends? Up to the Turks. But there are those of us who might think that they can carry out the beneficial changes on their own and who might even say that, if they really want membership of the EU, they can have ours."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-1808535,00.html

Colin said...

"Can't we give Turkey our place in the EU as we head for the exit ? "

Sounds like a good idea but it isn't. Why ?

Because if the entire continent of Europe becomes Islamic, their believers will have the strong desire to also liberate the UK. That will not be too difficult considering the strong Islamic communities in Britain which are probably more than eager to help. Britains seem to already have given up the resistance against the spreading of Islamic culture in the UK. An Islamic EU will certainly not make the task easier for the UK.

istanbultory said...

"Britons seem to already have given up the resistance against the spreading of Islamic culture in the UK"

Colin,
I'm not sure on that point. Perhaps it would be more accurate to argue that the UK state has failed to deal adequately with the issue for many, many years. At least, people in Britain are finally beginning to grasp the notion that mult-culturalism and mass immigration pose a multitude of dangers to the stability of society and the viability of the dominant culture. That's progress....

Serf said...

The same state offers no support whatsoever, financial or other, to any Christian or Jewish place of worship.

Its worse than that.

Probably some 20% of the population are Alevi, a particularly Turkish version of Shia. Yet they too get not a single Lira in support from the government, and are actively discriminated against.

So "secular Turkey", is a country where only one form of one religion is accepted by the state.

istanbultory said...

"So "secular Turkey", is a country where only one form of one religion is accepted by the state."

Yes, exactly right. The Alevis are certainly victims of discrimination.

Ellee said...

There's a big power struggle going on here, at the end of the day, Turkey will have to comply with what the EU wants regarding trade with Cyprus.

I'm pretty sure this will be back on the agenda soon, but Turkey will have to budge on this.

Voyager said...

"Britons seem to already have given up the resistance against the spreading of Islamic culture in the UK"

Looked at another way, the White working Class feel they have been stuffed by Middle Class la-di-da types who fail to give them support when they express their displeasure and use their salaried articularcy to denigrate and degrade those who fail to honour the shibboleths of bourgeois hypocrisy and Nimbyism

Colin said...

"White working Class feel they have been stuffed by Middle Class la-di-da types who fail to give them support when they express their displeasure and use their salaried articularcy to denigrate and degrade those who fail to honour the shibboleths of bourgeois hypocrisy and Nimbyism"

WOW, your verbosity index must be very high.

To put it more simple, the middle class always liked to import cheaper labour in one way or another, e.g. slavery or multiculturalism.